In the study of Bazi, there is are famous saying :
伤官若见官，为祸百端。
What it meant was that the war between the two opposing deities (i.e. the Explicit Talent & the Proper Authority) can give rise to calamities or unwanted results.
The effect is even more detrimental to DM if both the deities is locating side by side or within the same pillar, such as :-
X 癸 甲 戊 whereby Jia is the Explicit Talent while Wu is the Proper Authority
or
X 癸 X 甲
X X X 戌 whereby Jia is the Explicit Talent while Xu is the Proper Authority
22 comments:
Hi Master Goh,
It gives rise to calamities because the person is always going against the law or person in authority?
What if there is abundance of Explicit Talent but no proper Authority & no Resource? Is it likely that the person may commit crimes?
Thank you.
Cnyelie
Cnyelie,
It does not necessarily mean going against the law or commit any criminal. It is just that he/she is a freedom fighter, does not want to be restricted.
Hi Master Goh,
Does a chart without Authority deity but abundant Explicit Talent qualify as 伤官伤尽?
What are the effects of 伤官伤尽?
Thank you,
Yolanda
Yolanda,
Yes!
If it is a female chart, she can be a successful career woman (based the assumption it is a good chart).
However, life is a fair game! She can excel in her career/business, BUT NOT her marriage :(
Hi Master Goh,
This is a very interesting topic.
1) What is the significance of these deities being adjacent to each other?
2) What happens if a chart contains these deities, but they are not adjacent to each other?
3) Is the situation also true with Implicit Talent and Improper Authority deities?
4) What if the chart has a mix of Explicit Talent and Improper Authority deities (no Proper Authority)?
Best,
Sanjay
Sanjay,
1. The conflicting relationship is even more obvious & fierce if both are adjacent to each other.
2. Of course, the impact of such clashes is less obvious.
3. Not really! Implicit Talent is more introverted as compared to Explicit Talent. Furthermore, Implicit Talent can calm down the negative aspects of Improper Authority such as straightforward personality.
4. Both are considered extroversion. If both are negative, would lead to unstable personality.
Hi Master Goh,
1) Explicit Talent and Proper Authority deities are of the same polarity. Is this the reason they clash so severely?
2) A female DM chart with both Explicit Talent and Proper Authority deities in the spouse palce would have unstable relationships?
3) However, a female DM chart with Explicit Talent deity in the spouse palace also tends to have relationship challenges.
Are both #2 and #3 true?
4) If a female DM chart has only Proper Authority deity in the spouse palace, and the element is favorable, then she will enjoy happy relationships with the opposite gender?
Best,
Sanjay
I get it! It is more like "Anti hero" type like...."Dirty Harry". :)
Kikuchiyo
Sanjay,
1. Yes
2 & 3. Yes
4. Yes
Hi Master Goh,
Thank you for your affirmation and explanations. Appreciate your insights on bazi classics.
Yolanda
Hi Master Goh,
Thanks. Can the same be said of Implicit Talent deities? For example,
2) A female DM chart with both Implicit Talent and Improper Authority deities in the spouse palce would have unstable relationships?
3) However, a female DM chart with Implicit Talent deity in the spouse palace also tends to have relationship challenges.
If so, is the rule generic of both types of talent and authority deities?
Best,
Sanjay
Sanjay,
Though Implicit Talent has something in common with Explicit Talent, but these is also one distinct different between both, i.e. Implicit Talent is more understanding & more considerate. I am speaking from my own experience as my Day Branch is a Implicit Talent, hahahah....
Unless the energy of Implicit Talent become overly strong & unfavorable, the marriage is still manageable.
As for the remaining of your queries, it would be very complicated if we were to bring in the other deity, such as Imposing Authority.
But as a guide, even though the Implicit Talent can be a favorable element to the DM, the marriage would still be unstable if the energy of Imposing Authority is too strong.
Hope that the above statment would not create even more confusion :)
Master Goh,
*What does 伤官伤尽 mean?
>>'1. The conflicting relationship is even more obvious & fierce if both are adjacent to each other.'
* Can the pillars be used as a timeline for the relationship or the location of the Implicit Talent and/or Imposing Authority?
Ex. Talent(Yr) comes before Authority (Hr), then the spouse is first understanding then controlling.
*What would a chart with Authority, Wealth and Resource all in the spouse palace mean?
That the spouse is respectable, brings wealth and is intelligent assuming the elements are favorable and the opposite when unfavorable?
*Since Implicit Talent is more understanding & more considerate, then when it is too strong and unfavorable, will the person no longer be so understanding and considerate?
I take it that is what you meant and thus the marriage would become unmanageable?
Thank you,
Lugrey
Lugrey,
What does 伤官伤尽 mean?
伤官 refers to Explicit Talents.
伤官伤尽 refers to a chart whereby the ET is extremely strong with no sign of Proper Authority.
=> ...pillars be used as a timeline...
Yes, it is possible & is an effective method :)
.. a chart with Authority, Wealth and Resource all in the spouse palace mean?
I suppose that you have included the HHS. Yes, possible deduction.
...Implicit Talent ..is too strong and unfavorable, will the person no longer be so understanding and considerate?
YES :)
If the Proper Authority is important in keeping the balance of the chart (to control Jie Cai), but the Explicit Talent is located right beside it, does that mean the Advantages of Proper Authority will be diminished? Eg; loss of discipline etc?
Also, in this type of situation, the Proper Authority can't be used as Useful-star?
btw, thanks for your many insights ~ great blog...
Andy,
Yes, the effectiveness of the Proper Authority Deity would reduce.
However, Proper Authority Deity can still be used as favorable element.
ok, so maybe we can import our discussion from another article; where we discussed how to control excessive parallel and competitive stars, to paint a more complete picture...
you have mentioned that Talent & Authority stars both can be used to control parallel and competitive stars. so lets say we come across a chart with heavy P&C, but fortunately also with T&A.
in this case, the talent star would help in exhausting the excessive energies of the P&C, while the authority controls it. but on the unfortunate side, the strong shang guan located right beside the zheng guan.
would this mean that this person will have some kind of talent, but will face problem in lack of self-discipline?
and would i be right to propose that when the wealth element comes in the pillars, it would be a favorable time, as it helps distract the shang guan from attacking the zheng guan, and strengthens the zheng guan at the same time? and the sex of the wealth element should be opposite from shang guan (pian cai)?
anyway, really appreciate that you are so willing to share your treasure of knowledge on your blog =)
Andy,
Agreed with your comments full-heartedly.
Would like to add on & provide you with another way of viewing the co-existence of T & A, P & C simultaneously:)
~ Amible & Competitive Deity conquers Authority Deity ;
~ Authority Deitly controls DM.
The chart is full of clashes, meaning the person may not be emotionally stable.
haha it's like a vicious cycle...
i think you mean Talent conquers Authority rite? not Amiable and Competitive conquer Authority...?
typing errors :)
master Goh,
is it if Explicit Talent clash with Proper Authority, it is worse than no Authority in the chart at all?
Andy,
There are some truth in your statement :)
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